Hello:
We have a SQL Server 2000 client who has a maintenance plan that does a full
backup of course of its databases. And, each database is using the Full
recovery model.
The backup of the databases itself is working perfectly. But, the backup
files (mdf files) are not being removed. You see, the maintenance plan
specifies that backup files are to be removed every 2 days. That's not
happening?
Why would that be? I mean, why would part of the maintenance plan (the
backing up of the databases) work but another part of the plan (the removal
of the database files) not work?
Thanks!
childofthe1980s
MDF files are actually the real data files. Maintenance plans will remove
only .BAK files pertaining to FULL database or Transaction log.
Thanks
Hari
"childofthe1980s" wrote:
> Hello:
> We have a SQL Server 2000 client who has a maintenance plan that does a full
> backup of course of its databases. And, each database is using the Full
> recovery model.
> The backup of the databases itself is working perfectly. But, the backup
> files (mdf files) are not being removed. You see, the maintenance plan
> specifies that backup files are to be removed every 2 days. That's not
> happening?
> Why would that be? I mean, why would part of the maintenance plan (the
> backing up of the databases) work but another part of the plan (the removal
> of the database files) not work?
> Thanks!
> childofthe1980s
|||Actually, that's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
Yes, it is "bak" files I'm concerned about.
Here's an update. I spoke with the client and had him add a group that
contains that SQL Server Agent startup account to have Full Control of the
MSSQL folder so that the root backup folder wold contain Full Control for
this group.
Now, the startup account already had Full Control anyway. But, if the group
that the startup account had "Access is Denied", then the startup account
would be denied permissions. I don't know how to tell if the group was being
denied access. But, that's what I have done so far to eliminate this issue.
Is there anything else?
childofthe1980s
"Hari Prasad" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> MDF files are actually the real data files. Maintenance plans will remove
> only .BAK files pertaining to FULL database or Transaction log.
> Thanks
> Hari
> "childofthe1980s" wrote:
Showing posts with label course. Show all posts
Showing posts with label course. Show all posts
Thursday, March 8, 2012
backups working but backup files are not being removed
Hello:
We have a SQL Server 2000 client who has a maintenance plan that does a full
backup of course of its databases. And, each database is using the Full
recovery model.
The backup of the databases itself is working perfectly. But, the backup
files (mdf files) are not being removed. You see, the maintenance plan
specifies that backup files are to be removed every 2 days. That's not
happening?
Why would that be? I mean, why would part of the maintenance plan (the
backing up of the databases) work but another part of the plan (the removal
of the database files) not work?
Thanks!
childofthe1980sMDF files are actually the real data files. Maintenance plans will remove
only .BAK files pertaining to FULL database or Transaction log.
Thanks
Hari
"childofthe1980s" wrote:
> Hello:
> We have a SQL Server 2000 client who has a maintenance plan that does a fu
ll
> backup of course of its databases. And, each database is using the Full
> recovery model.
> The backup of the databases itself is working perfectly. But, the backup
> files (mdf files) are not being removed. You see, the maintenance plan
> specifies that backup files are to be removed every 2 days. That's not
> happening?
> Why would that be? I mean, why would part of the maintenance plan (the
> backing up of the databases) work but another part of the plan (the remova
l
> of the database files) not work?
> Thanks!
> childofthe1980s|||Actually, that's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
Yes, it is "bak" files I'm concerned about.
Here's an update. I spoke with the client and had him add a group that
contains that SQL Server Agent startup account to have Full Control of the
MSSQL folder so that the root backup folder wold contain Full Control for
this group.
Now, the startup account already had Full Control anyway. But, if the group
that the startup account had "Access is Denied", then the startup account
would be denied permissions. I don't know how to tell if the group was bein
g
denied access. But, that's what I have done so far to eliminate this issue.
Is there anything else?
childofthe1980s
"Hari Prasad" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> MDF files are actually the real data files. Maintenance plans will remove
> only .BAK files pertaining to FULL database or Transaction log.
> Thanks
> Hari
> "childofthe1980s" wrote:
>
We have a SQL Server 2000 client who has a maintenance plan that does a full
backup of course of its databases. And, each database is using the Full
recovery model.
The backup of the databases itself is working perfectly. But, the backup
files (mdf files) are not being removed. You see, the maintenance plan
specifies that backup files are to be removed every 2 days. That's not
happening?
Why would that be? I mean, why would part of the maintenance plan (the
backing up of the databases) work but another part of the plan (the removal
of the database files) not work?
Thanks!
childofthe1980sMDF files are actually the real data files. Maintenance plans will remove
only .BAK files pertaining to FULL database or Transaction log.
Thanks
Hari
"childofthe1980s" wrote:
> Hello:
> We have a SQL Server 2000 client who has a maintenance plan that does a fu
ll
> backup of course of its databases. And, each database is using the Full
> recovery model.
> The backup of the databases itself is working perfectly. But, the backup
> files (mdf files) are not being removed. You see, the maintenance plan
> specifies that backup files are to be removed every 2 days. That's not
> happening?
> Why would that be? I mean, why would part of the maintenance plan (the
> backing up of the databases) work but another part of the plan (the remova
l
> of the database files) not work?
> Thanks!
> childofthe1980s|||Actually, that's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
Yes, it is "bak" files I'm concerned about.
Here's an update. I spoke with the client and had him add a group that
contains that SQL Server Agent startup account to have Full Control of the
MSSQL folder so that the root backup folder wold contain Full Control for
this group.
Now, the startup account already had Full Control anyway. But, if the group
that the startup account had "Access is Denied", then the startup account
would be denied permissions. I don't know how to tell if the group was bein
g
denied access. But, that's what I have done so far to eliminate this issue.
Is there anything else?
childofthe1980s
"Hari Prasad" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> MDF files are actually the real data files. Maintenance plans will remove
> only .BAK files pertaining to FULL database or Transaction log.
> Thanks
> Hari
> "childofthe1980s" wrote:
>
Sunday, February 12, 2012
Backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
Hi,
Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
performed during the day is lost.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
FelixFirst, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
--
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have
> a
> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> damaged.
> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing
> I
> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> performed during the day is lost.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks
> Felix|||Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE' to
try and save the last portion of the log file but:
Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
How to proceed now?
Thanks in advance
Felix
"Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
> user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
> with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
> allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
> a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> > Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have
> > a
> > backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
> > restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> > explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> > damaged.
> > But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing
> > I
> > can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> > performed during the day is lost.
> > Can anyone help?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Felix
>
>|||Offline and Suspect are two very different things in SQL Server. Offline is
a SQL controlled database state. Suspect is a reaction to an external
event. Try ALTER DATABASE user_database SET ONLINE and then try the backup
log command.
--
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:93749B04-F531-4C2E-9395-F7F2ED4E2EB4@.microsoft.com...
> Hi Geoff,
> Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
> My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
> The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
> I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE'
> to
> try and save the last portion of the log file but:
> Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
> Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
> How to proceed now?
> Thanks in advance
> Felix
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but
>> the
>> user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG
>> command
>> with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
>> allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even
>> with
>> a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> > Hi,
>> > Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
>> > have
>> > a
>> > backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want
>> > to
>> > restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> > explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
>> > damaged.
>> > But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
>> > thing
>> > I
>> > can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> > performed during the day is lost.
>> > Can anyone help?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Felix
>>|||> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you can't
> get any further.
Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a database with same file
names as the original database. Stop that SQL Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy
the ldf file from the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file. Start
that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using NO_TRUNCATE.
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you can't
> get any further. If the server is online but the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can
> use the BACKUP LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log
> and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with a suspect or
> damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>|||Good point.
--
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further.
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but
>> the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG
>> command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the
>> log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command
>> works even with a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is
>> undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
>> have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want
>> to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
>> damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
>> thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>>
>|||Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further.
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but
>> the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG
>> command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the
>> log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command
>> works even with a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is
>> undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
>> have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want
>> to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
>> damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
>> thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>>
>|||> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect databases, stopped SQL
Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is
suspect anyhow...". See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;253817. The KB
states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different from doing the same operation
on some other machine. :-)
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you
>> can't get any further.
>> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
>> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a database with same file
>> names as the original database. Stop that SQL Server. Delete the newly created database files.
>> Copy the ldf file from the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
>> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using NO_TRUNCATE.
>> --
>> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
>> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
>> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
>> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>>
>> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you
>> can't get any further. If the server is online but the user database is missing the .mdf file,
>> you can use the BACKUP LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of
>> the log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with a
>> suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>>
>|||Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect
> databases, stopped SQL Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started
> SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is suspect anyhow...". See
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;253817. The KB
> states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different
> from doing the same operation on some other machine. :-)
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
> news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
>> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
>> in message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If
>> you can't do that, you can't get any further.
>> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
>> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
>> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
>> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
>> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
>> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
>> NO_TRUNCATE.
>> --
>> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
>> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
>> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
>> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>>
>> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If
>> you can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online
>> but the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP
>> LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail"
>> of the log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This
>> command works even with a suspect or damaged database, provided the log
>> file is undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
>> have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I
>> want to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
>> damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
>> thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>>
>>
>|||Hi,
I have to thank you all, I succeeded in restoring the userdatabase to the
point of failure. My problem was that I always brought de database offline.
How it worked:
I stopped and started the SQL server, the database was left in status
suspect, not offline.
In this status, I was able to execute : backup log user_db to disk = 'file'
with INIT, NO_TRUNCATE.
Then I restored the backup from last night but with the NORECOVERY clause.
Then I executed restore log user_db from disk = 'file' with RECOVERY
And my database was back online containing everything until the point of
failure.
Thank you very much.
Hope this helps other people too.
"Jerry Spivey" wrote:
> Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
> message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> >
> > Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect
> > databases, stopped SQL Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started
> > SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is suspect anyhow...". See
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;253817. The KB
> > states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different
> > from doing the same operation on some other machine. :-)
> >
> > --
> > Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> > http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> > http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> > Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
> > news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> >>
> >> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
> >> in message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If
> >> you can't do that, you can't get any further.
> >>
> >> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> >>
> >> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> >> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> >> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> >> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> >> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> >> NO_TRUNCATE.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> >> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> >> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> >> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
> >>
> >>
> >> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If
> >> you can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online
> >> but the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP
> >> LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail"
> >> of the log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This
> >> command works even with a suspect or damaged database, provided the log
> >> file is undamaged.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Geoff N. Hiten
> >> Senior Database Administrator
> >> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> >>
> >> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> >> Hi,
> >> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
> >> have a
> >> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I
> >> want to
> >> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> >> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> >> damaged.
> >> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
> >> thing I
> >> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> >> performed during the day is lost.
> >> Can anyone help?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Felix
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
performed during the day is lost.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
FelixFirst, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
--
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have
> a
> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> damaged.
> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing
> I
> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> performed during the day is lost.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks
> Felix|||Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE' to
try and save the last portion of the log file but:
Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
How to proceed now?
Thanks in advance
Felix
"Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
> user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
> with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
> allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
> a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> > Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have
> > a
> > backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
> > restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> > explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> > damaged.
> > But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing
> > I
> > can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> > performed during the day is lost.
> > Can anyone help?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Felix
>
>|||Offline and Suspect are two very different things in SQL Server. Offline is
a SQL controlled database state. Suspect is a reaction to an external
event. Try ALTER DATABASE user_database SET ONLINE and then try the backup
log command.
--
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:93749B04-F531-4C2E-9395-F7F2ED4E2EB4@.microsoft.com...
> Hi Geoff,
> Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
> My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
> The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
> I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE'
> to
> try and save the last portion of the log file but:
> Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
> Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
> How to proceed now?
> Thanks in advance
> Felix
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but
>> the
>> user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG
>> command
>> with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
>> allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even
>> with
>> a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> > Hi,
>> > Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
>> > have
>> > a
>> > backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want
>> > to
>> > restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> > explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
>> > damaged.
>> > But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
>> > thing
>> > I
>> > can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> > performed during the day is lost.
>> > Can anyone help?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Felix
>>|||> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you can't
> get any further.
Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a database with same file
names as the original database. Stop that SQL Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy
the ldf file from the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file. Start
that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using NO_TRUNCATE.
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you can't
> get any further. If the server is online but the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can
> use the BACKUP LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log
> and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with a suspect or
> damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>|||Good point.
--
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further.
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but
>> the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG
>> command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the
>> log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command
>> works even with a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is
>> undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
>> have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want
>> to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
>> damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
>> thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>>
>|||Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further.
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
>> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but
>> the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG
>> command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the
>> log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command
>> works even with a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is
>> undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
>> have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want
>> to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
>> damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
>> thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>>
>|||> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect databases, stopped SQL
Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is
suspect anyhow...". See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;253817. The KB
states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different from doing the same operation
on some other machine. :-)
--
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you
>> can't get any further.
>> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
>> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a database with same file
>> names as the original database. Stop that SQL Server. Delete the newly created database files.
>> Copy the ldf file from the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
>> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using NO_TRUNCATE.
>> --
>> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
>> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
>> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
>> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>>
>> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you
>> can't get any further. If the server is online but the user database is missing the .mdf file,
>> you can use the BACKUP LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of
>> the log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with a
>> suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>>
>|||Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect
> databases, stopped SQL Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started
> SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is suspect anyhow...". See
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;253817. The KB
> states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different
> from doing the same operation on some other machine. :-)
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
> news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
>> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
>> in message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If
>> you can't do that, you can't get any further.
>> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
>> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
>> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
>> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
>> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
>> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
>> NO_TRUNCATE.
>> --
>> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
>> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
>> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
>> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>>
>> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If
>> you can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online
>> but the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP
>> LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail"
>> of the log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This
>> command works even with a suspect or damaged database, provided the log
>> file is undamaged.
>> --
>> Geoff N. Hiten
>> Senior Database Administrator
>> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
>> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>> Hi,
>> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
>> have a
>> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I
>> want to
>> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
>> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
>> damaged.
>> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
>> thing I
>> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
>> performed during the day is lost.
>> Can anyone help?
>> Thanks
>> Felix
>>
>>
>|||Hi,
I have to thank you all, I succeeded in restoring the userdatabase to the
point of failure. My problem was that I always brought de database offline.
How it worked:
I stopped and started the SQL server, the database was left in status
suspect, not offline.
In this status, I was able to execute : backup log user_db to disk = 'file'
with INIT, NO_TRUNCATE.
Then I restored the backup from last night but with the NORECOVERY clause.
Then I executed restore log user_db from disk = 'file' with RECOVERY
And my database was back online containing everything until the point of
failure.
Thank you very much.
Hope this helps other people too.
"Jerry Spivey" wrote:
> Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
> message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> >
> > Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect
> > databases, stopped SQL Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started
> > SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is suspect anyhow...". See
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;253817. The KB
> > states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different
> > from doing the same operation on some other machine. :-)
> >
> > --
> > Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> > http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> > http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> > Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
> > news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> >>
> >> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote
> >> in message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If
> >> you can't do that, you can't get any further.
> >>
> >> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> >>
> >> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> >> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> >> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> >> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> >> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> >> NO_TRUNCATE.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> >> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> >> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> >> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
> >>
> >>
> >> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If
> >> you can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online
> >> but the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP
> >> LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail"
> >> of the log and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This
> >> command works even with a suspect or damaged database, provided the log
> >> file is undamaged.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Geoff N. Hiten
> >> Senior Database Administrator
> >> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> >>
> >> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> >> Hi,
> >> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I
> >> have a
> >> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I
> >> want to
> >> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> >> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> >> damaged.
> >> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only
> >> thing I
> >> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> >> performed during the day is lost.
> >> Can anyone help?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Felix
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
Backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
Hi,
Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
performed during the day is lost.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Felix
First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have
> a
> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> damaged.
> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing
> I
> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> performed during the day is lost.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks
> Felix
|||Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE' to
try and save the last portion of the log file but:
Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
How to proceed now?
Thanks in advance
Felix
"Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
> user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
> with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
> allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
> a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>
>
|||Offline and Suspect are two very different things in SQL Server. Offline is
a SQL controlled database state. Suspect is a reaction to an external
event. Try ALTER DATABASE user_database SET ONLINE and then try the backup
log command.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:93749B04-F531-4C2E-9395-F7F2ED4E2EB4@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Geoff,
> Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
> My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
> The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
> I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE'
> to
> try and save the last portion of the log file but:
> Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
> Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
> How to proceed now?
> Thanks in advance
> Felix
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
|||> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you can't
> get any further.
Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a database with same file
names as the original database. Stop that SQL Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy
the ldf file from the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file. Start
that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using NO_TRUNCATE.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you can't
> get any further. If the server is online but the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can
> use the BACKUP LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log
> and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with a suspect or
> damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>
|||Good point.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
|||Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
|||> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect databases, stopped SQL
Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is
suspect anyhow...". See http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;253817. The KB
states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different from doing the same operation
on some other machine. :-)
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
|||Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect
> databases, stopped SQL Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started
> SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is suspect anyhow...". See
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;253817. The KB
> states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different
> from doing the same operation on some other machine. :-)
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
> news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
|||Hi,
I have to thank you all, I succeeded in restoring the userdatabase to the
point of failure. My problem was that I always brought de database offline.
How it worked:
I stopped and started the SQL server, the database was left in status
suspect, not offline.
In this status, I was able to execute : backup log user_db to disk = 'file'
with INIT, NO_TRUNCATE.
Then I restored the backup from last night but with the NORECOVERY clause.
Then I executed restore log user_db from disk = 'file' with RECOVERY
And my database was back online containing everything until the point of
failure.
Thank you very much.
Hope this helps other people too.
"Jerry Spivey" wrote:
> Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
> message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>
Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
performed during the day is lost.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Felix
First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have
> a
> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> damaged.
> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing
> I
> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> performed during the day is lost.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks
> Felix
|||Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE' to
try and save the last portion of the log file but:
Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
How to proceed now?
Thanks in advance
Felix
"Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
> user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
> with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
> allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
> a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>
>
|||Offline and Suspect are two very different things in SQL Server. Offline is
a SQL controlled database state. Suspect is a reaction to an external
event. Try ALTER DATABASE user_database SET ONLINE and then try the backup
log command.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:93749B04-F531-4C2E-9395-F7F2ED4E2EB4@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Geoff,
> Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
> My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
> The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
> I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE'
> to
> try and save the last portion of the log file but:
> Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
> Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
> How to proceed now?
> Thanks in advance
> Felix
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
|||> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you can't
> get any further.
Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a database with same file
names as the original database. Stop that SQL Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy
the ldf file from the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file. Start
that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using NO_TRUNCATE.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, you can't
> get any further. If the server is online but the user database is missing the .mdf file, you can
> use the BACKUP LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log
> and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with a suspect or
> damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>
|||Good point.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
|||Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
|||> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect databases, stopped SQL
Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is
suspect anyhow...". See http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;253817. The KB
states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different from doing the same operation
on some other machine. :-)
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
|||Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect
> databases, stopped SQL Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started
> SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is suspect anyhow...". See
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;253817. The KB
> states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different
> from doing the same operation on some other machine. :-)
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
> news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
|||Hi,
I have to thank you all, I succeeded in restoring the userdatabase to the
point of failure. My problem was that I always brought de database offline.
How it worked:
I stopped and started the SQL server, the database was left in status
suspect, not offline.
In this status, I was able to execute : backup log user_db to disk = 'file'
with INIT, NO_TRUNCATE.
Then I restored the backup from last night but with the NORECOVERY clause.
Then I executed restore log user_db from disk = 'file' with RECOVERY
And my database was back online containing everything until the point of
failure.
Thank you very much.
Hope this helps other people too.
"Jerry Spivey" wrote:
> Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
> message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>
Backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
Hi,
Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
performed during the day is lost.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
FelixFirst, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have
> a
> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> damaged.
> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing
> I
> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> performed during the day is lost.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks
> Felix|||Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE' to
try and save the last portion of the log file but:
Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
How to proceed now?
Thanks in advance
Felix
"Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
> user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
> with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
> allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even wi
th
> a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>
>|||Offline and Suspect are two very different things in SQL Server. Offline is
a SQL controlled database state. Suspect is a reaction to an external
event. Try ALTER DATABASE user_database SET ONLINE and then try the backup
log command.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:93749B04-F531-4C2E-9395-F7F2ED4E2EB4@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Geoff,
> Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
> My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
> The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
> I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE'
> to
> try and save the last portion of the log file but:
> Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
> Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
> How to proceed now?
> Thanks in advance
> Felix
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
>|||> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, y
ou can't
> get any further.
Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a dat
abase with same file
names as the original database. Stop that SQL Server. Delete the newly creat
ed database files. Copy
the ldf file from the crashed machine to the place of the newly created data
base ldf file. Start
that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using NO_TRUNCA
TE.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
can't do that, you can't
> get any further. If the server is online but the user database is missing
the .mdf file, you can
> use the BACKUP LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract
the "tail" of the log
> and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works eve
n with a suspect or
> damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>|||Good point.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>|||Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>|||> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect datab
ases, stopped SQL
Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started SQL Server, dropped the da
tabase since "it is
suspect anyhow...". See http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...25
3817. The KB
states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different from
doing the same operation
on some other machine. :-)
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote i
n message
> news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>|||Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect
> databases, stopped SQL Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started
> SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is suspect anyhow...". See
> http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...b;en-us;253817. The KB
> states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different
> from doing the same operation on some other machine. :-)
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
> news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>|||Hi,
I have to thank you all, I succeeded in restoring the userdatabase to the
point of failure. My problem was that I always brought de database offline.
How it worked:
I stopped and started the SQL server, the database was left in status
suspect, not offline.
In this status, I was able to execute : backup log user_db to disk = 'file'
with INIT, NO_TRUNCATE.
Then I restored the backup from last night but with the NORECOVERY clause.
Then I executed restore log user_db from disk = 'file' with RECOVERY
And my database was back online containing everything until the point of
failure.
Thank you very much.
Hope this helps other people too.
"Jerry Spivey" wrote:
> Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote i
n
> message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>
Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have a
backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is damaged.
But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing I
can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
performed during the day is lost.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
FelixFirst, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even with
a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> Due to a disk failure, I lost my .mdf file of a database. Of course I have
> a
> backup, of the database and transactionlogs from last night, but I want to
> restore untill the time of failure. So I tried to follow the procedure
> explained in : how to backup transaction logs when the database is
> damaged.
> But it wont work because I can't bring my database online. The only thing
> I
> can do is restore my backup from last night but all the work that was
> performed during the day is lost.
> Can anyone help?
> Thanks
> Felix|||Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE' to
try and save the last portion of the log file but:
Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
How to proceed now?
Thanks in advance
Felix
"Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
> can't do that, you can't get any further. If the server is online but the
> user database is missing the .mdf file, you can use the BACKUP LOG command
> with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract the "tail" of the log and
> allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works even wi
th
> a suspect or damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>
>|||Offline and Suspect are two very different things in SQL Server. Offline is
a SQL controlled database state. Suspect is a reaction to an external
event. Try ALTER DATABASE user_database SET ONLINE and then try the backup
log command.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:93749B04-F531-4C2E-9395-F7F2ED4E2EB4@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Geoff,
> Thanks for the very fast reply. The situation is the following:
> My SQL server is online, I only lost the .mdf file of one user database.
> The user database is offline (of course .mdf file is lost).
> I use: 'backup log user_database to disk '...file...' with NO_TRUNCATE'
> to
> try and save the last portion of the log file but:
> Server: MSG 942, Level 14, State3, Line 1
> Datebase 'user_database' cannot be opened because it is offline.
> How to proceed now?
> Thanks in advance
> Felix
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
>|||> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you can't do that, y
ou can't
> get any further.
Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a dat
abase with same file
names as the original database. Stop that SQL Server. Delete the newly creat
ed database files. Copy
the ldf file from the crashed machine to the place of the newly created data
base ldf file. Start
that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using NO_TRUNCA
TE.
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> First, you have to be able to bring the SQL server itself online. If you
can't do that, you can't
> get any further. If the server is online but the user database is missing
the .mdf file, you can
> use the BACKUP LOG command with the NO_TRUNCATE option. This will extract
the "tail" of the log
> and allow you to recover the missing transactions. This command works eve
n with a suspect or
> damaged database, provided the log file is undamaged.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Senior Database Administrator
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> "Felix" <Felix@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EB0EEF3-948D-4B44-A509-762FAF60E90E@.microsoft.com...
>|||Good point.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>|||Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Some nit-picking, if you don't mind ;-)
> You can get further. Copy the ldf file to a healthy SQL Server. Create a
> database with same file names as the original database. Stop that SQL
> Server. Delete the newly created database files. Copy the ldf file from
> the crashed machine to the place of the newly created database ldf file.
> Start that SQL Server. That database is now suspect. Do the backup using
> NO_TRUNCATE.
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Geoff N. Hiten" <sqlcraftsman@.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFu1KrbyFHA.2448@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>|||> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect datab
ases, stopped SQL
Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started SQL Server, dropped the da
tabase since "it is
suspect anyhow...". See http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...25
3817. The KB
states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different from
doing the same operation
on some other machine. :-)
Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
"Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Woooo...Tibor does that work? Kinda cool if it does ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote i
n message
> news:uWKGSccyFHA.916@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>|||Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
"Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote in
message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Yep, sure is. I've done this several times, when customers had suspect
> databases, stopped SQL Server, copied the ldf file "for safety", started
> SQL Server, dropped the database since "it is suspect anyhow...". See
> http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...b;en-us;253817. The KB
> states rebuilding master on the same machine, but that is no different
> from doing the same operation on some other machine. :-)
> --
> Tibor Karaszi, SQL Server MVP
> http://www.karaszi.com/sqlserver/default.asp
> http://www.solidqualitylearning.com/
> Blog: http://solidqualitylearning.com/blogs/tibor/
>
> "Jerry Spivey" <jspivey@.vestas-awt.com> wrote in message
> news:eywlorcyFHA.2076@.TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>|||Hi,
I have to thank you all, I succeeded in restoring the userdatabase to the
point of failure. My problem was that I always brought de database offline.
How it worked:
I stopped and started the SQL server, the database was left in status
suspect, not offline.
In this status, I was able to execute : backup log user_db to disk = 'file'
with INIT, NO_TRUNCATE.
Then I restored the backup from last night but with the NORECOVERY clause.
Then I executed restore log user_db from disk = 'file' with RECOVERY
And my database was back online containing everything until the point of
failure.
Thank you very much.
Hope this helps other people too.
"Jerry Spivey" wrote:
> Ok...cudos to you...you da man ;-)
> "Tibor Karaszi" <tibor_please.no.email_karaszi@.hotmail.nomail.com> wrote i
n
> message news:OczvUNdyFHA.3588@.tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)